July 26, 1963


letter of July 26, 1963 from Mr. Justice W. A. I. Anglin (1541), Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of New Brunswick, to Harold Anglin (12771)


                                                                                                                                  Provincial Building,
                                                                                                                                  Saint John, N. B.,
                                                                                                                                  July 26, 1963.

Mr. Harold C. Anglin,
45 College Street,
Kingston, Ontario.

My dear Cousin:

In recently writing to advise you that I would be unable to attend the Twentieth Anglin Family Reunion, I promised you a brief report on our research done in Ireland with respect to our ancestor Robert Anglin and Sarah Welpley his wife. In the summer of 1961 my daughter and I spent five weeks in Ireland fishing salmon and searching for information on my late wife's McAvity ancestors in County Donegal and on our Anglin line in County Cork. My grandfather was William Anglin (1815-1899), the youngest child of Robert and Sarah, and he came to Kingston in 1843.

It is very difficult making such a search now in Ireland for most old records deposited in Dublin were burned during the "trouble" of 1920 to 1922. On such evidence as we did find, as hereinafter set out, I would doubt that any Anglin ever lived in Bandon (19 miles southwest by road from Cork), but I cannot prove that he did not. In Cork we found Anglins who belong to the William Anglin-Elizabeth Duke line reported on in Mr. Frank B. Wilson's valuable book at p. 57 ff. They could not say what relationship our line had to theirs. I can recall that when I was a boy (born in 1893) the Reverend Richard William Anglin and Sidney Anglin of their line arrived in Canada and visited us, my father spoke of them as cousins. Speaking of lines of Anglins, it is intersting that the Roman Catholic Anglins in Canada stem from the Honourable Timothy Warren Anglin who came to Canada in 1849 from Clonakilty on the coast 14 miles southwest from Bandon. His son, the Honourable Francis A. Anglin, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, once stated to my father quite emphatically that "there was no relationship whatever between us". I doubt this for the family resemblances I could cite are very definite. (For some remarks on that third line see Mr. Wilson's book at p. 59.)

Knowing of the tradition in our family that the five children of Robert Anglin-Sarah Welpley came to Kingston from Bandon, we naturally motored from Cork to Bandon to continue our search. We went to the Anglican Churches first for we had by then discovered that in the old days in Ireland the vital statistics for Protestants of all denominations were kept by the Anglican Church, and Methodists would be found buried in its church yards. (For instance, in an Anglican Church west of Bandon we found the following entry in its records: "Wm. son of John and Sarah Anglin born 18 Aug 1840 and baptized 7 Sep 1840 by Thomas Waugh".) We found no trace of an Anglin in the Anglican records at Bandon and so then went to the pastor of the Methodist Church. (John Wesley had paid his first visit to the Bandon area in 1749 and on May 3, 1789, he returned and opened this first Methodist chapel.) The pastor had records for his chapel back to 1824, but there was no mention of an Anglin. He then by chance produced a book of records for the Methodist chapels at Rushfield and Balllineen which he had for safe keeping, as those chapels had since been abandoned.

The Rushfield Methodist Chapel was built in 1835. In 1940 the lot was sold to Mr. W. H. O. Smith who married a Welpley and they now live in a large farm house near the Chapel and built in 1870 on the site of the old Welpley home. The Chapel is a single room frame building now in a diapidated condition. A picture of the entrance gate is enclosed. Rushfield now comprises only the old Chapel between the Welpley and another large farm and is actually only a postal district. The countryside of Ireland is divided into such small postal districts. Adjoining Rushfield on the north is the district of Farranmareen, another farming area in which close to the boundary we eventually found the home of the four brothers and a sister who went to Kingston.

In "Records of the Clonakilty Circuit by Thomas J. Bennett", collected between 1938 and 1945, we found the following entry: "In 1843 there were two classes in Rushfield with 32 members. James Bride and Martha Whelply (sic) were the class leaders.......In 1843 there were 12 Hosfords, 6 Whelplies (sic), 3 Brides, 4 Anglins, 1 Good, 1 Howe, 2 Dukes, 1 Knowls, 1 Brown."

In the Rushfield records under the heading "Members of Society" we found the following entries:

          "1858          Sarah Anglin               Farnamareen (sic)
            1861         John Anglin Snr           Rushfield
                             John Anglin Jnr           Rushfield
                             Wm John Anglin           Rushfield
            1862         John Anglin Snr
                             John Anglin Jnr
                             Wm Anglin
            1864         John Anglin                  emigrated since
            1865         Sarah Anglin                Farnamareen (sic)
                             John Anglin Jnr           Farnamareen"

The pastor lent me his copy of "The History of Bandon and the Principal Towns in the West Riding of County Cork" by George Bennett, published in Cork in 1869, which I later read. There is no mention of an Anglin in it, but there is a "Whelply" (sic) in the list of the branch of Puritans "known as English Presbyterians" who settled in and around Bandon in 1620 after an Irish rebellion had been put down and the lands were granted to the Earl of Bandon. We interviewed the present Earl's agent at his office in Cork and he said he could not recall any Anglin name in the records of Bandon. The name Whelply is spelled by the present generation in Ireland as "Welpley".

Upon Rushfield thus coming into the picture, we re-read a copy of a letter from my grandfather to his brother Robert in Kingston under date of February 23, 1838. (This copy was provided us for the trip by my first cousin, Miss Mary R. Anglin, now living in Kingston. She also had provided us with extracts from the diary which her father, Dr. W. G. Anglin, kept on a trip to Ireland in 1876 and they led us to various people we would not have known about.) The above letter was written from Clonmell (northeast of Cork) where my grandfather, then age 23, was working in a drapery shop as a clerk. It is a very long letter and the following are relevant extracts: "I entirely forgot to mention Grandmother's death about this time two year, and Uncle Joe is still living. Uncle Ben died this month ..... Your Mother would give all she ever possessed to see you ..... John got married to Sally Duke, daughter of Wm. Duke of Lissonburg (?). Brother Samuel can let you know who they are. He got married 2nd December '37, without even writing to let me know ..... Mrs Davis is resigning business in or about May next and of course I will be to leave Clonmell. John wants me to go home ..... Nothing could give me more happiness than in hearing from you -- it is often when at home I used to run from Rushfield to Eniscane (sic) to release your letter, even though it would be night when I would get the account ..... A very respectable person whose name is Higgins -- he is Methodist -- keeps a Seed and Nursery Shop in Dublin and he wants a person to fill it as head clerk. If he be able to wait until I am done with Mrs. Davis I may accept it."

We have a copy of another letter to Robert from Dublin under date of October 16, 1841, from which the following is an extract: "No later than last night in vision you wre brought before my mind. When I woke I found it was a dream. You seemed to have fallen much into flesh, since I had the pleasure of beholding you for the last time as you passed over Dunmanway Bridge."

I would gather from this last remark that Robert was then going west to the seaport of Bantry on his way to Kingston in 1829 when my grandfather was 14. If the latter was seeing Robert and his bride off, his return of 12 miles home to Rushfield on foot would be nothing for a teenager in those days. (In those days, we were told, the pastor walked 13 miles from Clonakilty to Rushfield to hold service on Sunday.) If the Anglin home was in Bandon, it does not seem likely that my grandfather would have taken an 18 mile trip from Bandon. (As to all these places and distances see map attached.)

The information in these letters was of course invaluable and we went nine miles due west from Bandon to Enniskean (as now spelled) and inquired at the post office for Rushfield which was not on our road map. We were directed to go due north two miles to Castletown and a mile beyond we would find Rushfield. My uncle's diary above mentioned spoke of having a meal in Castletown with Hosford cousins. It also contains the following: "Met Mrs. Thos. Hosford from Rushfield and heard some tales of my father's youth." So we called in on the present Mr. Walter Hosford, a very prosperous farmer. He took us to Farranmareen and showed us the stone ruins of the Anglin home. He then took us south about half a mile and introduced us to a Mr. Shorten who had a large residence and farm beside the Rushfield chapel. Mr. Shorten said he could remember the Welpley sisters in the adjoining farm talking about John Anglin going to Canada and his family following later. He confirmed that John Anglin had lived where Mr. Hosford had shown us.

Then we called on the Smiths at the Welpley farm. They confirmed as above and told us family tales of the Anglin boys "who were all big men". They said John Anglin farmed and made shoes for sale. Mr. Smith's father, age 80, told us that my grandfather was in love with Sarah Welpley (a sister of the old gentleman's mother), but the Welpleys forbade a marriage because they were first cousins. Perhaps that is why he left for Kingston at age 28. In passing I may say that if the Anglins lived in Bandon, it is difficult to see how my grandfather would fall in love with a girl in the remote place of Rushfield. Living near Rushfield all he had to do was to run down a field to see her.

I think the evidence establishes that when each of the childrren of Robert and Sarah left their home in Ireland for Kingston, that home was not in Bandon but at Farranmareen, or say Rushfield as my grandfather did in his letter. We have no evidence that their father actually lived there, but it would seem to be a fair inference from his children calling it home. Two of our sources think that the father Robert originally lived in Ballineen, a mile west of Enniskean.

We searched many Church records and graveyards, but did not find where Robert Anglin and Sarah his wife were buried. Mr. Smith said they did not put up grave stones in those days. I may add that the Genealogical Office in Dublin Castle did an extensive search for me and found indexed marriage license bonds and wills for Anglins back to 1681 for County Cork, but the documents themselves were burned at the time of the "trouble' so no relationship to Robert can be traced.

One photo herewith shows myself standing at the roadside stone wall with my back to the ruins of the Anglin home. In the picture of my daughter at the same wall, the Welpley home would be down at the foot of the field of hay on a line from her to the hydro pole. The land is now under lease by the Department of Agriculture to a local farmer. The field around the ruins is planted in potatoes. On the property are two gallauns or stones marking the burial place of ancient Irish chieftans. Another photo is taken from in front of the Anglin home and looks south on the road down to the Rushfield chapel.

Why did the original Kingston Anglins say the came from Bandon, 12 miles by road from Rushfield? My guess is that they picked on a nearby well known town to avoid having to explain where Rushfield was. We have several Bandons and New Bandons even in New Brunswick. When I am away from home I always register at a hotel as being from Saint John although I actually live in the adjoining Lancaster.

                                                                                              Yours very truly,




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                                                                                              Mr. Justice W. A. I. Anglin

                   






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